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Congratulations to the 
2017 
NYLT Graduates

We hope your youth leaders had a terrific 
experience and will bring their new skills in
planning leadership, 
communication, and 
team building to bear at home,
community, school, and their units.

What's Next for Participants?

Summer is a great time to complete a lot of your
NYLT Challenge Notebook
See our Post Course pages for helps.

Did you sign up for staff? Watch these pages
in November for info on staff interviews.

NYLT 2017 Reunion is in February 2018.
Watch the Calendar page for details.

 

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Category: General
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Where is the calendar of dates?

The NYLT web site is an excellent reference for participants, for this and other information please vist: http://nylt.ocbsa.org/participant_calendar

For staff, please use this one:  http://nylt.ocbsa.org/staff_calendar   

Be certain to check “Updates, Be Prepared” for changes before event dates.

 
Where do I find out what is going on?

On the NYLT website is “Updates, Be prepared”  It will tell you any changes to what is scheduled and what to bring to the event. The second location is next to the schedule of dates which has a brief description of what to bring. The third location is the calendar which will link to event details.

 
If I have a question, where do I go?

The contact page on the NYLT website first for information and updates. Also, there is a list of staff members to contact.

I need directions to…..

Keep checking the FAQs on the website. It is all there: Temecula Parking lot and Lost Valley Pick-up and Ceremony.

 

 
Category: Applications
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When are applications due?

Applications with an attached Camp Master receipt showing fees have been paid, plus, all completed forms completed should be turned in as soon as possible after open registration starts in January.  The course has limited spaces (see the registration thermometer on the right), so apply early.  Incomplete forms will be returned; registration is confirmed when all forms are submitted.

 
When are the physicals due?

Please submit your application packet as soon as possible, no partial packets are excepted.

Medical forms parts A & B are due with the application, including, Code of Honor and special medication permission forms, with attached receipt to verify payment.  Reminder, Camp Master for payments; mail in forms to the Course Registrar.  You will find the address on application form and here.

Deadline for medical form part C is June 1.   In order to accommodate so many annual physical dates and still have medical staff and supplies ready on course in time,  medical form C, known as the doctor's physical, needs to be submitted to Course Administrator no later than June 1.  This is the only exception, all other forms need to be sent in as part of the packet  for registration.  Please make arrangements with your physician to meet the deadline.

Acceptance for completed registration is based upon ALL forms and fees submitted and approved by the deadlines listed.  Remember to type in your forms, illegible, as well as incomplete forms are returned  and registration is halted.

Why is there a deadline for medical form C, the physical?

We have medics, gear, volunteers and supplies to coordinate and have set up prior to being on-course for the safety of over 200 NYLT volunteers and participants. We appreciate your understanding.

What happens if I don’t turn in my medical form C by June 1?

Participants who have not turned in their physical by June 1st, their registration will be considered incomplete, their application will be withdrawn and they will be placed on a waitlist until their forms are submitted and approved for completeness.  Wait list priority is first listed first served.

Youth will not be registered to participate in the course until the form(s) are submitted and reviewed for completion.  No spaces will be held for incomplete/illegible paperwork and the space may be taken by applicants with completed paperwork that are on the waitlist. Your fees will be refunded without penalty.  

 

If we need to cancel, can the course fee be refunded?

As listed on your application, there is a $50.00 administrative fee for cancellations on or before June 6th, 2015.  There are no refunds for cancellations after June 7th.  We have already paid fees and made deposits by then to our vendors and Lost Valley.

What if I need to cancel and I can find a replacement?

You need the permission of the NYLT Administrator and there will be a $50.00 administrative fee for making the transfers.  The replacement must submit all paperwork and pay fees within 72  hours to finalize the process.

Whom do I pay?

Please read your forms applications.  NYLT website is for the forms and Camp-Master collects your fees.  You must attached a copy of your payment for fees to your registration form and submit to NYLT Administrator.

How do I pay?

Use or set up a profile on Camp-Master and pay your fees.  Copy the receipt and attach to your registration application as proof of purchase. Submit with all your forms to the NYLT Registrer:

What is Camp-Master?

https://orangecounty.Camp-Master.com is the Orange County Council camp registration system.

We are coming as a troop or crew, do we need to complete BSA Local Tour Plan?

If you are coming as a troop or crew with individual registrations you do not need a Tour Plan.  If you decide this is a troop or crew event, then your troop or crew is responsible for submitting a BSA Local Tour Plan to Council via http://myscouting.org for the NYLT course.  Please coordinate with your local Troop Committee to submit the Tour Plan by June 1.

What do I need to turn in?

Send complete registration packet by postal mail to the Course Registrar  (Contact - Registrar)

  • National Medical Form ABC
  • Copy of health insurance card - both sides
  • Participant Application
  • Code of Conduct
  • Additional medical permission forms
  • Venturing Youth Protection certificate (Venturing over 18 years old)
  • Camp-Master payment receipt
What does it take to be accepted and how will I know?

The administrators review all the forms for completeness, legibility, confirmed payment, birthdate, age and rank, scoutmaster approval.  Our volunteers process them as soon as they can, usually around 10 days you will receive a Welcome Letter or your forms returned if they are incomplete.

Category: Donations
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How do I get a receipt for cash donations?

Please contact Course Administrator.

Where do I deliver donations?

Cash donations may be given to the Program Donations contact.  Physical items from our donation list are to be brought to Lost Valley as you deliver your Scouts and Venturers. We appreciate your help with bringing the donations to the Valley since we do not have a transport truck or storage area.  Please let the Donation contact know what you are bringing by completing the form and or sending a email so we can eliminate duplicates.

 
Where can I bring donations?

Donations can be brought to Lost Valley or to the Temecula check-in. Cash donations are welcome any time.

Category: Medical
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When are medical forms due?

Please complete Medical form Parts A and B and submit at least those with the application and payment. Pay special attention to the permission to carry over the counter (OTC) medications on Part B.

The deadline for all Medical form C is June 1st. Participants without complete medical forms will be placed on a waitlist. 

Can I use last years physical?

The Part C of the medical form is valid for 1 year from the physical. It must be dated by the doctor after the last day of the current year’s course.  Example, if the current year course ends 7/1/2016, then your physical must be dated after 7/1/2015 to be valid through that date.

 
I have last year’s forms - ok to just copy and submit?

No. Every year forms are updated and they must be the current version. Laws and National rules evolve every year for compliance.  Please use the current forms on the website.

Why were my forms returned?

We could not read them - illegible or incomplete fill in, wrong year on medical forms, scoutmaster signature missing and failure to list all immunizations on the medical form are the most common errors.

Please do not attach you immunization records – we will not fill them in for you, they get lost and medics can’t find them quick enough in a medical emergency.

We do not process or hold a space for incomplete forms, even if fees are paid. Forms are returned via mail.  

Do we need to disclose a condition that occurred years ago but has not been a problem?

Yes, please disclose everything so the camp medic and leaders can make the best decisions for your youth’s care in case something happens. Lost Valley is a very remote camp and the nearest hospital is 30 miles and 1.5 hours away. We have had cases where a previous condition (such as a surgery as an infant), has led to requiring a helicopter evacuation to San Diego due to the strenuous nature of the program.

 
Why do I need to fill out all the medical forms?

National requires all BSA events to have medical forms submitted for the care and safety of participants, manage emergencies (individual or camp), have medical information for those emergencies or special needs.  We are often in remote sites and we need a medical staff and facility access to help participants and staff.

Category: Downhill
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Do I have to go to the Mandatory Downhill meeting.

Yes, it is mandatory.  Please see the Participant Calendar page for information on the date, time and location.

Your youth have a chance to meet the youth staff and other participants as they cover some essential skills and information such as how to safely operate the camp cooking equipment, NYLT pot and dish washing so everyone stays healthy, Code of Conduct, pack equipment check and more.  Scouts shoud wear their complete uniform including hat and bring their backpack with all the gear listed on the Equipment Checklist in the Registration Forms packet.

The parents attend a general information session while Scout/Venturer go off to start the process.  Acceptance includes being prepared for the remoteness of Lost Valley and the activities that occur.  Parents will have the opportunity to meet the adult leaders, ask questions and understand how to help their youth and unit after the course. Please have a look through all of the FAQ pages (frequently asked questions) on this site.

One parent, guardian, or the Scoutmaster must attend for minors.

The NYLT staff will be selling hiking staves, and taking pre-orders for the patrol camp photo and photo DVD.  Please bring material donations to the Temecula Check-In.

 

Category: Personal Equipment
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Why do we need plain white t-shirts?

This does two things:

  1. It avoids the issue of inappropriate t-shirts and
  2. It makes it very easy to distinguish NYLT participants from summer camp participants who usually wear troop t-shirts.

There are no laundry facilities available.

Do we need a Hiking pack?

Participants experience a 5 mile hike with about 1,000 ft of elevation change and an overnight campout as a backpacking trip. They will need to carry their jacket, sleeping back, ground tarp and pad, and a share of the patrol food and cooking utensils. A daypack is generally not of sufficient size and duffle bags are not well suited for backpacking.

Do we need a daypack?

Yes, to carry their study materials, pens, pencils, sunscreen, chapstick etc. to the sessions.

What are the 2 trash bags for?

Participants should have 2 trash bags to store their extra clothing and equipment in their tent at base camp so they don’t need to carry everything on the backpack trip.

Why do I need hiking shoes?

The course has several elements which will require walking/hiking on trails in hilly areas up to 5 miles. The regular tennis shoe or sneaker is not stiff enough to prevent rolling an ankle on uneven terrain often causing sprained ankles and other injuries.  You can wear a full boot, though many prefer the lighter ventilated trail shoe type. No tennis or sport shoes please.

 
What is the uniform?

The uniform for assemblies and breakfast and dinner meals is the Scout’s usual field uniform (aka Class A) including (shady) hat, shirt, pants, belt and socks. NYLT neckerchiefs will be issued at camp.  Unit and rank patches no longer need to be removed.  Award medals and pocket hangers are best left at home so they don’t get lost at camp. Scout shorts are highly recommended for comfort, though long Scout pants or convertibles can be worn.  The uniform is Scout shorts.  If long pants are needed for special situations contact the Administrator for approval.

What is the activity uniform?

Shoes, socks, Scout shorts, plain white t-shirts and a shady hat.

Should we label the clothes and equipment?

YES. Marking all clothes and equipment at a Scout camp is always a good idea so if you forget or lose it, it can find you.  We average 6 to 8 lost and found items at every assembly, often hats and water bottles.

What type of bug sprays do I need to bring?

Generally a DEET based spray or cream is the most effective at repelling mosquitoes. Check if is the kind safe to use on skin, or only on clothes. Lost Valley is also rich in the white sage plant which is a traditional fragrant bug repellant used by the native Americans.  There are also ammonia or vinegar based “After The Bite” products that can ease the itching.

Category: Communications
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Can I send a care package or mail?

Postal mail service for Lost Valley requires you to send letters and packages a week or two before your camper leaves. If you must post mail, the camp mailing address is:

Schoepe Scout Reservation Lost Valley Business Office

Scouts Name ℅ NYLT

31422 Chihuahua Valley Rd.

Warner Springs, CA 92086

Your best option is to discretely pass letters or small packages to an NYLT staff member at Temecula for NYLT-Express mail delivery. Mark the day of the course (Day 1, Day 2, etc) you would like it delivered.  Food/candy is strongly NOT recommended to be sent as it attracts mice, raccoons, and skunks into the tents.

 
How can I communicate with my youth?

We are remote and access is remote.  Please contact the NYLT Administrator if there is an emergency and they will make contact.  There is no cell service at Lost Valley and very limited email access.

 
Category: Temecula
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What happens at the Temecula Parking Lot?

The check-in just confirms that your participant is there, a quick backpack check and then you caravan to Lost Valley.  
Ralphs is at 33145 Temecula Pkwy Temecula, CA 92592 (Cross streets Temecula Pkwy / Butterfield Stage Rd) Google Maps 

There will not be any forms collected.  

If the pack check using the Personal Equipment Checklist in your registration packet identified missing items, there are several stores nearby where this can be fixed before heading into camp:

  • Ralphs (where we meet)

  • CVS (in the same parking lot)

  • Sports Authority (1.1 miles in the Vail Ranch Plaza on the left)

  • Walmart (1.3 miles on the left)

  • Home Depot (1.3 miles on the right)

Please see more FAQ here about getting to Lost Valley
http://nylt.ocbsa.org/taxonomy/term/28

It is highly recommended to leave this point with full tank of fuel. There is NO FUEL at Lost Valley or within at least 30 miles of camp. Also check tire pressure and all fluids.

Should we eat before we leave for Lost Valley from the Temecula Parking lot?

Recommended. There are several quick eateries there. In Lost Valley they will get a small snack and then dinner when they get to Lost Valley.  Be sure to also have a full tank of gas before you leave.

 
Category: After the Course
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How do I get a DVD?

The suggested donation for a DVD is $15.00; prepaid cash is preferred before or after the course.  You may also pay at the NYLT Challenge Celebration ceremony the following February.

The content of the course DVD varies from year to year. Generally it contains up to 4.5 GB with over 1000 photos taken throughout the week by our youth and adult staff photographers, and may include video clips. Due to the size of the photo and video content, an online download is not available.

What is the Graduate Challenge

Congratulations on finishing the NYLT week of training.  The Trailblazer Challenge is an opportunity for you to bring what you've learned back to your unit and put it into practice. Complete this challenge by Dec 31 and be recognized at the Challenge Reunion in February. Completing the challenge also prepares you for a NYLT staff role.  Participants that complete the challenge are recognized with a certificate and a collectable NYLT coin.


http://nylt.ocbsa.org/challenge

Category: Transportation
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How do I get to Lost Valley?

Caution! Some GPS navigation systems may attempt to take you to Lost Valley via the Indian Reservation from the Warner Springs side. This road is not maintained, becomes unpassable and you will encounter a locked gate at the Scout Reservation property line. For your safety, please use the Chihuahua Valley Rd route. 

From the Ralphs parking lot, continue on Hyw 79 South past Butterfield Stage Rd for 23 miles.  You will probably lose cell phone service within 5 miles of here as you head into the hills.

Along the way you'll pass Vail Lake, Stagecoach Inn, Aguanga, a stop sign, County Line BBQ, Oak Grove and the historic Butterfield Stage station, an abandoned DVO biker bar, and just around the next bend, the turnoff to Chihuahua Valley Road and the Hawkwatch Winery.

Stay on Chihuahua Valley road for 6 miles. The first part is winding and has a hairpin turn, the latter part on the plateau is straight. Along the way you might see llamas, a camel, and a giant Buddah statue. When the road makes a sharp right, watch for oncoming traffic, but continue straight onto the dirt road which is to the right of the homes.

The dirt road should be about 2 lanes wide and resonably well maintained. You'll see a hippie camp within 1 mile and a few ranches. Watch for the Lost Valley Scout Law mileposts along the way and the Pacific Crest Trail crossing between miles 5 and 6. Watch for 2 way traffic - speed limit is 15 mph for 10 miles.

The GPS coordinates for the Lost Valley mailbox and start of the 10-mile dirt road are: 

Latitude Longitude
N 33 23.086 W 116 39.179

You may also use 31422 Chihuahua Valley Road Warner Springs, CA 92086

Please see the NYLT website maps page.

How do I get to the “Parking Lot”?

Please see the NYLT website maps page which has maps to all the interesting places related to NYLT. Find the map for Ralphs Temecula Parking Lot.

Do you organize car pools to Lost Valley?

The staff cannot organize car pools to Lost Valley.  It is recommended to organize your own carpools within your unit for multiple participants attending, to meet other parents at the Mandatory Downhill meeting, or perhaps to arrange carpooling at the Temecula check-in for the last 40 miles to camp. The Chihuahua Valley road turnoff is at about 23 miles. Then its about 6 miles to the start of the 10 mile dirt road. Speed limit on the two-way dirt road is 15 MPH. This part will take about 1.5 hours. A full tank of gas is recommended.

Category: Staffing
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Where do you find your youth staff?

At the end of each course, the participants are encouraged to sign up for staffing the following year.  Participants are invited to be on staff after they have graduated from the course and completed NYLT Challenge logbook. Staff interviews begin in December. The youth staff leaders make the staff role assignments usually by April. Staff youth positions range from the youth course director (usually takes about 5 years of consecutive participation to earn this), to troop guides, quartermasters, scribe, historian, chaplain’s aide, webmaster, etc.

 
Where do you find your adult staff?

Our adult staff come from interested parents and leaders like yourselves who dedicate several weekends of staff development training and a full or partial week at camp.  Most of our adult staff are Wood Badge trained but this is not required. Many of the staff do this each year, with the longest few being over 7 years running. There are many positions and roles available in camp such as scoutmasters, quartermasters, and nurse/medic as well as beforehand handling administrative tasks. Please contact the course director to see how you can help. There is more information about the current course needs and position descriptions on the Adult Volunteer Staffing page.

 
Parent, Adult, Volunteering

I want to help but I don’t have a week off or can spend weekends as a staff member?

We welcome all forms of help. Please check the Adult Volunteer Staffing for information on volunteer opportunities or contact the Course Administrator or Course Directors.

We have a list of one-time opportunities or simple projects.  We need you and the youth love seeing their role models there! 

Tip: Staffing NYLT makes for a great Wood Badge ticket goal. Ask our Adult Course Directory how.

I'd like to visit the course

Unlike summer camp, the NYLT course is a tightly scheduled series of lessons and activities that requires full patrol participation. Causal visiting is discouraged and must be coordinated with the adult course director.  

On the other hand you can volunteer to be an on-course staff member for the week, or even a few days, to help out with set-up, clean-up, and guest speaker presentations. Please see the Adult Volunteer Staff page for more info.

Tip: Staffing NYLT makes for a great Wood Badge ticket goal.

How do I order Staff Uniform parts
We're working on simplifying this process. Please check for updates by SD1.
 
First visit the Staff Uniform Order page at http://nylt.ocbsa.org/staff_store
Save or print (2 copies of) the resulting PDF order detail file.
Camp-master does not provide an order detail at the moment.
 
To complete your order and payment, please do the following
  1. visit the NYLT Staff Uniform payment center at:https://orangecounty.camp-master.com/events/2016nyltstaffuniform 
    or search for: 2016 NYLT Uniform Payment
     
  2. Save and print the proof of payment receipt and turn in by SD2 to Mrs. Zedek.
    The email receipt will be 
    From: Tracy Au <tracya@ocbsa.org>
    Subject: Orange County Council Customer Receipt/Purchase Confirmation
Please contact the NYLT Course Administrator  if you have any questions about your order.
 
You can view your order by logging into the NYLT web site with your email address. Please use password recovery to get a password to log in the first time. On your My Account page should be a tab with Orders.
 
Category: Diets
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What food or allergy accommodations are available?

As a commissary, food served in a remote location NYLT/Lost Valley is able to accommodate gluten, nut and dairy free, kosher, vegan, and vegetarian diets.  If there are food allergies such as fish, rice or tomatoes, etc., please list them on the medical form.  We are able to make limited accommodations. Contact the Course Administrator or Quartermaster on the Contact page.

Category: Course
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We have two events, can we come late for the course?

No.  We start team building skills from the moment the Mandatory Downhill starts on an early June Saturday (see calendar).  In fairness to all participants you will need to be on-course on Day 1. We have a staff committed to the entire program and ready to build leaders. On course we have a lesson on Ethical Decision Making which includes making this kind of Right-vs-Right decision.

Category: On Course
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What about the LV ceremony?

Parents are invited to attend the ending NYLT course ceremony.  Wear comfortable clothes and walking shoes, hat, sunscreen, water and sunglasses.  There will be transportation for those with special needs.  At the ceremony you may order your Best of Course Memories Photo and Video DVD that will be delivered at the February graduation the following year, Watch your proud Scout or Venturer and joyfully take them home.  DVDs are $15.00, please bring cash.  We also plan to have the Patrol Photos available for pickup.

 
INVITATION TO ATTEND CLOSING CEREMONY ON Day 6

Parents are invited to attend the “Quest for the Meaning of Leadership” Patrol presentations at 2:00 p.m. and/or the closing campfire at 4:00 p.m.

Check-in is required at the Business Office at SSRLV upon arrival.

NYLT will provide escorts from the main parking lot to the NYLT assembly area and closing campfire every fifteen minutes.  Last escort is at 3:45 p.m

We have a conflict on Day 6, can we leave early?

The recognition closing ceremony is a vital part of the final demonstrated skills.  It is disruptive to the teams.  Please do not duplicate your efforts, we provide plenty of lead time (January) for effective planning.

What do I wear to closing ceremonies?

Comfortable, cool clothes, good walking shoes for dirt roads and trails. Please bring water, sunscreen, sunglasses and hats to further your enjoyment.

We need assistance getting to the ceremony?

Once you arrive at Lost Valley, there are handicap parking spaces available.  If you cannot walk to the ceremony site, we will have vehicles to give you a ride to the site.